What would a balanced/slugger heavyweight look like at 28

Posted by: Awful Performance <Evil Empire> (VD)

You are crazy...fighters like this wont win vs somoeone who knows what he's doing. You need to be lucky in match-ups to make bums like those 28 status. At 28 status they can be viable in some fights though...but 5 out of 100 are going to make 28 status

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Posted by: A Concrete Jungle (Invincible Iain II)

Zammy,

Check out what happened to you when you faced, Evander PPG Holyfield.

Guess you didnt know what you were doing and guess Evander is 5 from 100, hey, he also won WT’s....

God damn, that just proves my greatness is Zammy claims these fighters are not viable and I keep making them work.

Bow to The King Zammy!

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Posted by: Awful Performance <Evil Empire> (VD)

I dont remember Evander PPG Holyfield though, you are right on this one!

You are going to slaughter Ianan. I cant stop laughing

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Posted by: Italiano

“You are crazy...fighters like this wont win vs somoeone who knows what he's doing. You need to be lucky in match-ups to make bums like those 28 status. At 28 status they can be viable in some fights though...but 5 out of 100 are going to make 28 status”

Sure they can and will. Make 15-20 of these guys and you’ll get at least 8 of them up to 28 with a big winstreak and not too many losses. It’s not about luck, you just gotta know what you’re doing. You’re poking your own self.

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Posted by: Parkers Animals [KoP]

The 17+ conditioning throws me. I didn't plan for that. Explains why my guys struggle above 17/17

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Posted by: The Jock`s on Us

SPD = 1.25 * AGL STR = .6 * AGL

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Posted by: A Concrete Jungle (Invincible Iain II)

Zammy is talking shite re sluggers.

Please tell me what Heavyweight sluggers you have won WT’s with Zammy.

Now,

The most successful heavyweight build is without a doubt 9/3 very light build and speed around 2-3 points over agility. Chin ideally 11 and con ideally 18. Thats simple to run and will win WT’s for sure, you can start them 1 str and around 11 agl and 11 speed or you can alternately start 3/1 and scrimp a little agility.

Now, the reason sluggers fail in heavyweight is that they cant score effectively because people are ploughing so much speed into the beanpoles so building big str bias with low speed wont work, add that to the speed bonuses after styles that the eanpoles gain and a slugger is screwed, the beanpole site on lines like 6/1/13, the slugger barely does any damage and the beanpole coasts to a decision also allout is risky as they have that kp insurance.

Now, my build and why it works.

Its simple, the slugger can survive on low agility as people went crazy with the speed > agility phase at heavyweight so beanpoles rarely break 20 agilty and this kills them v my builds. So build a slugger say 6’6 you gain 7 ap’s over the beanpole from his 7’1 height. The speed you can pretty much go like for like with the beanpole in actual stats used at 28 status and the agility you can gain another 5 or so ap’s from scrimping the agility around the mid teens at 28 as its simply not needed. So from the height and agility you gained around 12 or so ap’s that you plough into str, you also then match the 12 ap’s that the beanpole used on his 9/3 so you are able to go over 20 str and still match speed.

Now, your biggest edge is str and so clinch is the obvious choice, with 11 chin at 28 you can absorb a flash from 9/3 even running lines like 7/8/5 and 8/8/4 and those lines also outscore 6/1/1/3 qnd 7/1/12 so you can throw power and open the beanpole up with no fear from the flash, also once the beanpole opens up to score cripple his body, basic slugging 101.

Look at Evander PPG Holyfield and see how this is used generally, its simple and effective and the most effective slugging build at heavyweigh. Anagram also ran so effective sluggers but Holyfield killed Anagrams guy in an endurance war so they can go well V other endurance styles as well.

I gave you everything on a plate here and so how to get through regionals either work out yourselves abd play around or just email me if you get desperate.

Also if Zammy beats PB Willaims bank on the fact i will illustrate how to chop down a 7 footer when Holyfield returns the follwing week to avenge PB and I will even post Evanders exact stats here before I dismantel Zammy’s guy.

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Posted by: Parkers Animals [KoP]

Thanks for the template Concrete

I'm going to retire the junk and start anew with most. It'll be a fun run. North America will know what I am running, but I'll slip some into contenders.

Posted by: A Concrete Jungle (Invincible Iain II)

Also bear in mind that at say 6’6 using this type of set up you can generally hit about 22 str and around 24/25 Speed and so over your basic 9/3 KP Sissy/Dancer you have 13 AP’s Str advantage which is huge when using clinch you then adjust for the style advantages and you can see why a line like 7/8/5 will give the 9/3 Sissy’s 6/1/13 fits as it outscores it and also dishes damage and the Sissy is now having to open up to win rounds and risk getting hit to the body.

As the sissy wears down I was even running lines likes 7/9/4 inside and really killing them on both score and endurance with zero fear of the KP especially if I had floated on chin and had them at opp < 2.

Speed is (and has always) been key at heavyweight and for a long time no one ever seemed to pick up that you also need to build sluggers the same way and people just sat building the standard speed = agilty with a huge str bias ans then wondered why they just got outslapped by the 7 footers who sat on 6/1/13 and the like.

I ran this build way way back in PPG with Dimitrenko “Mig 35” Mizirov, who won 6 or 7 WT’s way back although I dont have the stats of that fighter now as I think I gave him to Kewari way back but he was the prototype for one if these shorter speed based sluggers at heavyweight.

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